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>> wow! >> right across the bow. >> he just did that. >> exactly. across the bow. very good image for an admiral. so, yes, we have got to, as ambassador hill says, develop a policy. but john bolton is one who is going to reach for that hard power instrument. of i would argue he's probably going to reach for it against iran. i think it would be a mistake, but i think we're beginning to walk away from the iranian deal. that will open up the opportunity for real conflict with iran, bad move. and i think the instrument of hard power in north korea, which has kind of diminished in conversational va...

Retired four star navy admiral. he is chief international security in diplomacy analyst for nbc news and msnbc. also members of the armed services and veterans affairs committee. richard blumenthal of connecticut. good to have you both. i'd like to ask you about james baker's comments. he talked a lot about message discipline and how there was a lack of that in this white house, but he also mentioned bolton not so bad. what do you make of that? >> i think the issue with john bolton is going to be that he instinctively reaches for the hard power instrument. in other words, the combat solution. ...

>> but you talk about the movement of the u.s.s. carl vinson and that strike group. you have that movement, also the strike in syria. seems there's a lot of saber rattling going on right now. what are the dangers of that? >> i think here we need to examine the fact that it's not an on and off switch of just hard power saber rattling or soft power diplomacy talk, et cetera. think of it as a rees tat. there are times you need the hard power instrument, but there are other times when you want to include the diplomacy, the economic sanctions. so we're going to have to see if the administration, wh...