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So with each one of these, i think it's important to defend liberal ideals and say, you know, the social justice claims are correct up to a certain point, but they can't interfere with these other ideals. and in our discussion we have not talked about china. in your...what you are hoping is a sort of reinvigoration of liberal democracy, do you want the rest of the world, the west, to get tougher on china? i think that china, since 2013, when xi jinping took over, has been shifting from a kind of ordinary authoritarian state to essentially a totalitarian one in which the chinese communist party...

Justice claims are correct up to a certain point, but they can't interfere with these other ideals. and in our discussion we have not talked about china. in your...what you are hoping is a sort of reinvigoration of liberal democracy, do you want the rest of the world, the west, to get tougher on china? i think that china, since 2013, when xi jinping took over, has been shifting from a kind of ordinary authoritarian state to essentially a totalitarian one in which the chinese communist party wants to control basically the most minute aspects of their citizens�* behaviour. and they've been pro...

Up to a certain point, but they can't interfere with these other ideals. and in our discussion we have not talked about china. in your...what you are hoping is a sort of reinvigoration of liberal democracy, do you want the rest of the world, the west, to get tougher on china? i think that china, since 2013, when xi jinping took over, has been shifting from a kind of ordinary authoritarian state to essentially a totalitarian one in which the chinese communist party wants to control basically the most minute aspects of their citizens�* behaviour. and they've been projecting their power outward...

Their power outwards. they're not as risk prone as putin is. but that challenge is going to come. it's going to come against taiwan and, you know, other parts of asia in the first instance, and we have to be ready for that. francis fukuyama, thank you very much for coming on hardtalk. thank you very much for having me. hello there. at this time of year, warm days are often followed by decidedly chilly nights. and tuesday was certainly a warm day, with temperatures in northwest wales getting close to 21 degrees, the warmest day of the year so far. plenty of other places not too far behind.

Forget that. again, we're trying to build american power outwards and it's always been an exercise based in the first instance on our values. what kind of country the united states is, then overlaid with military power, with our alliances, with our network of intelligence institutions, but the truth is, as reverend sharpton says, we've got thousands of people deployed in africa trying to conduct missions. if they're not operating with a base of public support where people say the united states is the kind of country i want to be negotiated with, all of that power basically begins to back up. i...