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And as you say, putin says he has annexed territories, but his spokesman says, we don't know exactly how much we have annexed. we have to have discussions with the that pop it rulers of those regions. one of those puppet rulers, the rule of chechnya -- so they have to find somebody else to have a conversation. >> so, what's going on with him? where is he? because if he does not have an understanding of what's going on, right? and he is the guy at the top, right? he is the puppet master there, does anyone really have an understanding of what's going on? >> you would have to imagine what's happe...
American sport, everyone cheers the gymnasts at the olympics, they win all the gold meddlals, the u.s. soccer team, not all of the players are on the soccer team, but the gold cup wins, the role models for all of our daughters and nieces and granddaughters and to think this is going on in another top american sport and everyone is shaking their heads. this has got to stop. it is horrible, it is awful, it is systemic, as lucy was saying, and as i said, it's got to stop, i'm not sure how it does stop. because the power structure, as you know from these sports, is that so many parents and kids ar...
That doesn't work in the market economy. if our objective is to reduce the income that russia is getting from selling energy, from supplying energy, one could introduce tariffs for russian energy supplies that would actually remove the premium that russia is getting today, because the european market for russian energy supplies is a premium market. of course, this would not impact short term. but in the medium term, it would have a really serious blow to the finals that putin has at his disposal. >> when i look at russia and putin, what strikes me is how personalized the power structure is. yo...
Offered now on having a cap on russian energy, is something that doesn't work in the market economy. if our objective is to reduce the income that russia is getting from selling energy, from supplying energy, one could introduce tariffs for russian energy supplies that would actually remove the premium that russia is getting today, because the european market for russian energy supplies is a premium market. of course, this would not impact short term. but in the medium term, it would have a really serious blow to the finals that putin has at his disposal. >> when i look at russia and putin, wh...