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Messaging. and how rigorous the science. >> implicit bias or explicit bias or both? >> both. yeah, our training focused on both, because there's no reason to believe that these kinds of incidents are exclusively one kind of bias or the other. and the results are really, unfortunately, consistent across past research that this does not seem to be a silver bullet. >> so is the diversity training itself merely a pr stunt? >> yeah, it's a great question. i think there's a lot of hope out there that these kinds of solutions will work. so i do think there's a pr element, right, when you have an inci...

Plame and how much politics there was, which cuts both ways. it makes it complex, people who are the targets say, wait a minute, we're getting extra heat because of our political activities. the flip side being obviously, u know, if russia did this to an election you can't just bow out because there is politics on the brain. donald trump's position was, everyone already knows everything, so it is cool. i don't think that's born out to be the situation. here is donald trump talking about manafort and the links. >> i have nothing to do with russia. to the best of my knowledge, no person that i d...

Time and again you have regional implications. the sunnis versus the shia. >> and then you have iran on one side. >> that's correct. >> and so if isis were to grow to succeed, this could be just one pr element and may not be a true story but if they are growing and you see the assad regime in danger due to isis, you end up where the united states is in a position of backing bashar al assad. >> i think there's going to be pressure to say if we want oppositionists people who will potentially fight isis they are going to say, if you want to join us and give us weapons, aren't you in this game wit...

This unedited tape that they thought that might bring them up on charges of kiddie porn? i think there's a pr element. i think they know everybody is going to start talking about it. >> they got audiences. you got bursting hormones with little kids being offered this. they know they are going to get children and youngsters to watch. this is the deck dense of mtv this is -- this is the decadence of mtv. they had no idea this was going to get them in trouble! how could they not know it is wrong to feature children involved in sex and drugs and alcohol? how can they know there was nothing wrong w...

Thought that might bring them up on charges of kiddie porn? i think there's a pr element. i think they know everybody is going to start talking about it. >> they got audiences. you got bursting hormones with little kids being offered this. they know they are going to get children and youngsters to watch. this is the deck dense of mtv this is -- this is the decadence of mtv. they had no idea this was going to get them in trouble! how could they not know it is wrong to feature children involved in sex and drugs and alcohol? how can they know there was nothing wrong with that? i hope the feds loo...