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Look, here is the problem. this whole process is not designed to get at the truth and now you have this lawyer, katz, who is representing blasey. and they're putting all these conditions on a hearing. and i think this is maybe backfiring on the republicans -- not the republicans a little bit, but on the democrats a little bit. >> but on the democrats and, donnie, you're a pr guy. if you're running pr for the republicans, the last thing that you want is to have dr. ford testifying on the committee. so is it more preconditions they set down, the more you're going, thank you, thank you, now if yo...

And senior reporter for the "washington post,"er rinne blake and anna palmer. carol, let me go to you. you are writing now about how the president sees this interview with robert mueller, how his legal team sees the interview. here's the thing, rudy giuliani is talking and talking and talking about this. you know who's not? roberts mueller. >> that's absolutely true, hallie. robert mueller has been silent and the president's lawyers have been la quashs. but one thing has not changed and that's the essence of donald tru trump, which is he believes he's his best lawyer and own best pr guy and ow...

>> this is mr. woodward from the washington post, sorry to bother your home, i wanted information on one of your employees, howard hunt. >> what kind of information? >> profile information, for example, we know he worked for mullen company as a writer, he's also a novelist, works in the office of mr. charles colson of the white house. >> and cia. >> and the cia. >> well, if you're conducting the kind of investigation, certainly, it comes as no surprise to you that howard was with the cia. >> no, no, no surprise at all. >> worked for the cia from '49 to '70 on deep background but the fbi think ...

Not even whether she's wittingly lying or unwittingly. she's come police it pli sit. made a misstatement for the last two days, completely undermineser credeibcredibility. one of the things about having the job is you have to take on the role of somewhat of a reporter within the white house. and go out and verify for yourself. and the eagles thing is a great xwam principle. someone told her that 81 people confirmed. if i was in the job and i knew the politics of this, i would have picked up the phone and call the eagle's pr guy and known for myself there's no way 81 people were confirmed. we k...

I know him. i don't dislike him in any personal way certainly. i just wonder why he has changed to the guy who istology say outrageous things like you can't indict, you have to apologize to somebody. you can't have an informant. i mean all these rules are gone in terms of defending his current client. >> they are gone. and chris, i'm so happy you showed that earlier video of rudy in 1998. that's the giuliani i worked for, the administration i worked for. he led our city through one of the darkest times. i have no idea why he's willing to sacrifice that legacy if you will, for one of being the ...