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Stephanie, let me start with you. deen's camp released a statement saying she doesn't find it acceptable to use the "n" word and they say, quote, she was speaking largely about a time in american history quite different than today. i obviously don't know what she meant when she said that. should the food network wait or should had he terminate her? >> erin, i think this is a little bit too big of a pr problem to get back from. i don't know if you were on twitter yesterday but it exploded with people renaming all of her dishes racist names, et cetera. for someone who doesn't tolerate the use of...

If they pass the glare of publicity, because what he ought to say to himself every moment on the job is, when the american public, the averageç american, knows the names loisç lerner ad faris fink as much as they know lindsay lohan and jay-z, you've got a real pr problem. >> shepard: i'm sure the holiday inn express would love to see them. >> they would love to see the irs. >> shepard: because the next day -- >> i wouldn't. help shep the next day you can say, stayed at a ahead inn express last night. >> precisely. >> shepard: that's all i got. thank you. a judge has answered a family's des...

In other words the question is, will people try to do this? the issue there, as you said, is a legal one. i think the likelihood of a democratic challenge is likely certain, and republicans haven't had much look when elections have gone to court. you think how lautenberg got to the senate in the first place. if don't want the counsel current elections, the only other option is to have this separate special election. that special election would take place a week, maybe two weeks before, so that's a pr problem for christie. that price tag a $24 million. and one of his issues has been consolidati...

Very serious. i think no matter what, the hearings are going take a long time to get out and their pr problem is possibly much larger even than their hill problem. one of the things that happened that we found out is that one of the groups that was targeted said, the irs said, you can get your status, but you have to promise you would never, ever protest at planned parenthood sites. the bureaucracy, no one thinks that's a weird thing to ask? they're okay with asking that? >> it's not okay. the irs has no credibility, i think at this point and so the proponents of it to say let's do a flat tax,...

At this moment the combination of what seems to be the white house's efforts to undermine the press on the a.p. front and rosen front, in combination with the mishandling of chronologies and story lines on this irs issue are creating an overwhelming sense of hostility. >> what i'm talking about. >> one is a pr problem and another a problem they seemed to have kind of wage war on sources and the press but in both cases, they create a situation where it's going to be very hard for the white house to continue to operate effectively if it's at odds of the national press corps. you can't operate in...