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>> that's what they're scoring it at. i can tell you as an accountant and a doctor, that is absolutely ludicrous and i won't vote for any bill that adds another dollar to the v.a. that isn't offset within somewhere within the government. >> and you said in the past money isn't the issue. it's the confidence of the people. so as it continues to happen, i don't mean to jump on you, senator, but is there anything that can be done in the interim to go ahead, get mcdonald in there, let him bang some heads, fire some people, deal with the pr repercussions later? >> i'll be meeting with him. i'll loo...

Talked about. it's driving the discussion this web. he's going to be tempted to push harder on it. and he may be incentivised to be even more salacious in the future. that is something the president needs to be concerned about because it makes him look like a bully. shannon: does it possibly have pr repercussions, is there a backlash, do some voters get turned off by it? >> i think voters, talking about low thresholds to sur mount. voters have low expectations from politician it will be hard. i will say this. this is what the president has been counting on all along, a really caustic, nass tao...