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This is a losing issue for him. >> he's already said publicly he's responsible, right? >> right, but the problem we face is the media sees this as a drama with hayward and the people and assess rightly that the quality of their pr spin and things like that and obama seems to have gotten elected and thinks he can govern giving speeches with teleprompters and stuff and nobody, either the media has the capacity to do what matters most. fill up the oil spill and that discussion is not of interest to the sort of theater critics to washington and new york. >> as jon said, obama himself said i'm in c...

Oprah about how leno was coming off as the bad guy because he was coming back after giving up "the tonight show" throne and squeezing conan out of his 11:35 time is isn't conan basically doing the same thing to tbs. george lopez had been on at that hour and he's agreed to go an hour later to make room for conan. it's a business. >> well, you know, they've all made a very big point of saying that conan absolutely would not have quote/unquote lenoed another comedian. george lopez called him to say he thinks it was a great idea. everybody thinks it's a great requested. >> don't unique that's just...