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Season of "the oprah winfrey show". >> now a celebrity biographer is presenting a somewhat different picture of oprah. kitty kelley who has done books on jackie o., elizabeth taylor, frank sinatra, nancy reagan, the bush family, and the british royals is out this week with her 500-page take on the talk show queen. and kitty kelley joins me now in the studio to talk about the book called "oprah: a biography" and it's already stirring controversy. welcome. >> hi, howie. >> you say that lots of major tv programs have refused to have you on to talk about this book because oprah is such a powerful ...

>> well, i try and name every single person. i mean, when i wrote the frank sinatra book more than 20 years ago, i thought, i'm putting every single person on the record. can't do it. you simply can't do it, because people sometimes put their jobs in danger, employees who talk to me who have worked for oprah in the past and a couple that work for her now stepped forward to talk to me. they did it under real legal pressure. these people have signed confidentiality agreements never to talk and oprah, she's even got her magazine, people that work and are associated with her magazine, few magazine...

And she said, oprah winfrey, i don't need a white magazine to cannonize me. what do you make of that? >> in the book, she'd gotten hammered by barbara harrison in "the new york times" sunday magazine, and i think she was responding to that. she has really never gotten over that interview, and howie, you've got to understand that for the last 25 years, oprah has really, for the most part, had halo coverage. and so when barbara harrison came out with this piece in "the new york times" sunday magazine, oprah was incensed. >> do you think the press has been overall, i mean, she's a major, wealthy,...

Sexual abuse, the child he gave birth to at 15 that didn't live, her weight issues and all of that. she's opened up a lot of these areas of inquiry, so that makes it harder for a biographer, i would think, to unearth more that's new. >> i don't think that's a biographer's job, really, to unearth more that is new. i think there is a lot in this book that is new, but i don't think when you set out to give the totality of somebody's life, you're necessarily looking for something new. when i went to interview her aunt katherine in mississippi, i had no idea that bernon winfrey was not her biologic...