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But you're right, certainly not the "today" show, certainly not fox news, and certainly not cnn. i've had a lot -- >> larry king says he hasn't talked to you in five years, so he wouldn't have been involved in the decision. >> oh, indeed. he was asked to book this show, but he said he just couldn't do it because of hoprah -- >> well, his producers were asked to book the show -- >> well, right, when i say "they said," i mean the producers. >> i want to talk about a question matt lauer asked you. let's play that and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> in your opinion, kitty, when someone i...

Oprah about how leno was coming off as the bad guy because he was coming back after giving up "the tonight show" throne and squeezing conan out of his 11:35 time is isn't conan basically doing the same thing to tbs. george lopez had been on at that hour and he's agreed to go an hour later to make room for conan. it's a business. >> well, you know, they've all made a very big point of saying that conan absolutely would not have quote/unquote lenoed another comedian. george lopez called him to say he thinks it was a great idea. everybody thinks it's a great requested. >> don't unique that's just...

This is a woman who's been engaged to stedman graham since 1992, and will probably never marry him, at least according to what her father told me, and she travels and is seen more frequently with gayle king. it is not a question that came from me, it is a question that is raised frequently. >> an elephant in the room. >> the elephant in the room. >> i know you compiled all of oprah winfrey's many interviews over the years, but how hard was it to report this book without her cooperation and many of those who were closest to her? >> i interviewed about 850 people over a period of four years to w...

I don't think until barack -- >> but those of us who really follow her and embrace her, we need an understanding of this woman. >> fair enough. i don't think until barack obama, she told us which politicians to support. but you get into all this speculation about her sexual orientation, her relationship with gayle king. why go there? >> because when you're doing a biography, you want the total picture. and sexuality is very much a part of it. >> you were not able to answer that question? you raised it -- >> i didn't set out to -- there's a great deal of speculation about oprah's sexuality beca...

About oprah. >> no, i don't. and i -- on the question that matt lauer offered about privacy, legally, there is no privacy and journalistically for celebrities, as he said, who accepts the mantle of celebrity, it sounds like it comes down from god. >> well, she's a huge cultural figure. >> a huge figure. >> but doesn't hold any public office. so why would you -- >> i'll tell you why. because oprah has such influence in this culture. she has more influence on our lives, possibly, than the government. think about it. oprah tells us -- she tells us how to live our best lives. she tells her viewers...