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When it struck midnight. >> how far do you think republicans can make that talking point? how much can that be a talking point in the coming days? >> reporter: i think republicans are going to try to win the pr war. i think ashley brings up a good point. when i was walking around the capitol, there's a real sense of nervousness of republicans. they're not sure how this is going to play out. they're hoping the president will shoulder some of the blame. but they're not sure that's going to happen. right now there's a lot of wariness about how to proceed. does boehner have the ability to get anyt...

Low level employee that's gone rogue or whatever? not so much. now we know that we're digging deeper and this does have ties to the white house. now i'm not saying that the white house is doing it. i'm just saying that it's not a lot higher than we knew before when they came out and said it's a low level employee that's gone rogue. >> what do we really know? do we know that something wrong was done here and don't we know for sure that it was both conservative and liberal groups even if what i just said, and i assume you'll make that argument, matt, are the republicans winning the pr war? are t...

. and charles payne, adam lashinsky, charlie gasperino. >> a small fraction thinks we're headed in the right direction. a pox on both houses and lack of leadership and i've got to tell you the sequestration thing has taken it to a whole other level. the president has to understand he can't offer a compromise and say if you don't step it we're not compromising. a compromise is give and take on both sides. fanning the flames of fear on this thing is not only disingenuous was harmful. the president can say, hey, it took off even if we had sequestration, if congress would try to stop the pr war. >...

Hollen's, indeed, quite a few republicans might vote for it. in fact, it might pass. but then john boehner's majority might turn on him and he might lose the speakership. so it's unclear whether the house republican majority can be led at this point. it is clear that boehner isn't doing a very good job of leading it. >> so who wins the pr war that is taking place right now? i know that's the last thing american people want to hear. but that's all these guys care about right now. >> well, polling has been done. who will you blame if the sequester happens and the sky falls? and overwhelmingly, p...

It is clear that boehner isn't doing a very good job of leading it. >> so who wins the pr war that is taking place right now? i know that's the last thing american people want to hear. but that's all these guys care about right now. >> well, polling has been done. who will you blame if the sequester happens and the sky falls? and overwhelmingly, people say we will blame the house republicans, because they're the ones who were obstructing a deal and a resolution of this completely artificial crisis, by the way. this crisis didn't have to happen, but it is happening. look, boehner has to take th...