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Helping the president's case. it seems to me he had a career as a credible federal prosecutor. >> are you saying he's no longer going to be known as credible? >> he may be known as something else now. this is part of the challenge. >> he showed his true -- like the way he wanted to tip himself was when he was a surrogate for the president. >> he's already a different guy than he was in '08. >> oh, yeah. >> i don't agree he's helped objectively. they've driven mueller's numbers down a bit. >> p.r.-wise, i'm with you. >> they've sold this ridiculous story in the last 48 hours, the president real...

Deal. we have of course the tariffs issue that's also dividing us from our european allies. that's just europe. there were a host of issues in themy as well as asia. >> i was going to say. let's go through these things. i want to do it piece by piece. he wants to embarrass democracy for the world to say it's not what they claim it is. >> it is a mess. >> he is succeeding right now, pr wise. you pointed out the european issue. i would throw in putin, whether he wanted the u.s. out of the climate agreement, he loves the yid it has made them mad. the alliance between america and western europe ha...

The argument is being tossed around, this is a personal matter, not a contribution that's being made to, you know, ensure or to help your candidate get elected. obviously, there are problems with that. >> mr. giuliani today saying, can you imagine if this came out before the last debate -- he's acknowledging that the timing of this was keyed to the election. that seems like that issue might be dead. but on the issue of this new reality that they want us to believe, about this funding, if the -- if giuliani's right, and the president did pay ms. daniels this way, by calling it legal fees, by sa...

Adviser go to a bankruptcy attorney for whatever reasons, he o she should be able to do that. >> or a divorce attorney. >> yeah. >> some attorneys only do divorce and so if you spoke to them, that's probably the subject matter. >> okay, let's move on to the other question i have. just overall, what's it is a about this investigation? and, again, nobody knows what robert mueller is doing right now because he runs a very, very tight ship. but just as far as the pr-wise, it seems we're a long, long way from the russian ambassador whispering sweet nogs to jarrod kushner in the transition or jared ...

These things naturally go, there's going to be disagreement and it's going to have to go before the judge. >> reading her language and her body, she seems to be steering the towards the notion of actually appointing a special master to eventually adjudicate, that both sides will be make proposals about what should be covered and the special master will eventually decide. that seems to be where she's headed. but i want to ask gene robinson, i want to pull back a little bit in a slightly wider context. sunday night we had james comey with george stephanopoulos saying the things he said about the...