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That's why they don't want to raise taxes on the rich, but the ideologues have a different game altogether. they want to bring down government basically. >> well, you can't watch the game without a scorecard. here is some more of the people on the pragma side, and it's an unusual shaping up. bill kristol is leading the criticism, that the republicans need a come to jesus moment. he writes, it may be major parts of american conservatism have become such a racket that a kind of refounding of the movement as a cause is necessary. joe scarborough, our colleague, amplified his opinion on "morning j...

The cliff at least. you know, i take dana's reference to "lord of the flies." it's really more like a monkey's wedding or something out there, the disarray in the republican party. >> i have never been to one of those actually. >> well, you can imagine the confusion. yeah. but it's the ideologues versus the pragmatists. the pragmatists simply want to serve their donor base. that's why they don't want to raise taxes on the rich, but the ideologues have a different game altogether. they want to bring down government basically. >> well, you can't watch the game without a scorecard. here is some m...