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Security issues, on enforcement issues, and someone who will garner the respect, you know, of the congress which right now there's a real problem with that. lastly to talk to your point about taking war on terror out of the vernacular, taking out radical islam. if we can't define the enemy, we can't defeat it. giuliani testified before my committee on boston talking about that very issue. the narrative of administration that al-qaeda is on the run, bin laden is killed, war on terror is over, let's downgrade the military, let's pull out, the pre-9/11 threat narrative thrown out there is dangero...

The war will resume, and they assume they will ultimately defeat the government already in kabul. so they have no incentive to concede anything. and i think karzai was absolutely right to blow up over what happened yesterday because it was a sheer propaganda move. it was a way in which the rebels, the taliban, were claiming the legitimacy of the government of the priest one, the pre-9/11 government, and obama in a clip that you showed earlier on the show dismissed it as a couple of words on a wall. i mean, doesn't he understand this is all about who's a legitimate government? to dismiss it as ...

Criminal mind set. pre-9/11, yeah, at a time when in fact the threat is changing. it is actually i would say metastasized and mutated but certainly not diminished. >> we'll get into that with mike baker a little bit later but let me get back to this because it seems to me, colonel, mcsally, that you are passionate and concerned that the president is not calling it a war on terror. with that in mind i would believe that many of our viewers agree with your position on that. a lot of our viewers also though are concerned about the drone program. >> right. arthel: so walk us through how, both are ...

>> and in fact, turning the ship around at the c.i.a., the c.i.a. has now since 9/11 been a paramilitary organization. as much as it is a spy-gathering, let's find secrets. it needs to be shifted very dramatically. and you've got john brennan there, who has the president's complete alliance and trust. but this is a big deal. >> it is. the c.i.a., pre-9/11 was about strategic intelligence, targets like china and russia. and post 9/11 became a paramilitary force. and we have to say, an incredibly effective one. it is largely the c.i.a. that disrupted al qaeda overseas in places like pakistan. jo...

Tolls from the terrorists they targeted dwarfed estimates of civilian kauscasualties. he made a renewed push to close guantanamo bay and asked congress to lift restrictions from gitmo and speed up the process of trials and military commissions and transferring detainees. a lot to chew on and we're going to start with congressman tho thornberry, a member of the house armed services and intelligence. congressman, what is your reaction? >> well, i thought it was interesting. when he was interrupted and went off-script the president said he's these are serious issues we can't gloss over and yet he...