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He comes from. it is, i mean, he's even talked about his relationship prepresidency, precampaign with elton john. he actually did reach out to the lgbtq community during his convention speech, if you remember, which was the first time any republican had done that. i mean, this is one of the holdovers from the fact that he was a democrat. and he's a new yorker. and the difference between him and mike pence is that mike pence and i talked about this with him extensive. mike pence has a very strong religious conviction against gay marriage. he insists it's not discrimination, it is his first amen...

You've got to advance that cause. you can't be they're bad. we're good. that's not a sustainable message over the long haul particularly with our demographic. >> you spoke at governor lhogans inaugurati inauguration. >> i didn't realize i was part of his pre-campaign. >> what advice would you give lim him? seems like a suicide mission. >> it does seem like an uphill battled. it talked about having to make choices and paying the price. he talked about john mccain and my dad and the civility and the courage to go against the tides at the right time. that integrity really mattered. it was a beaut...

Likely to act out of fear of consequence than out of good conscious. now we aren't just talking about crimes, we're talking about things that are wrong like lying to you again and again. not a crime but pretty damn wrong. what if he knew about manafort in what could turn out to be his coordinating with russians? what if he knew about the trump tower meeting and of course lied to you every chance he got? now, would he do that? well, we know he would lie about a lot of things including pay offs. michael cohen said the president also directed him to pay an outfit to fix polls to boost his status ...

They hear from you and what we tell them about how you feel about it. remember politicians are more likely to act out of fear of consequence than out of good conscious. now we aren't just talking about crimes, we're talking about things that are wrong like lying to you again and again. not a crime but pretty damn wrong. what if he knew about manafort in what could turn out to be his coordinating with russians? what if he knew about the trump tower meeting and of course lied to you every chance he got? now, would he do that? well, we know he would lie about a lot of things including pay loss. m...

Indictments and through a series of plea deals and i think that's how our court system is supposed to work. again, the goal is the truth. the goal isn't to get people. >> anything to add? >> i think the flynn -- the flynn document is going to be very interesting to me. >> what are you looking for? >> obviously he was close to the campaign, close on the national security front throughout the campaign and then became his national security adviser. so he is the one person that was inside the white house and so he could talk not only about what happened precampaign, but during his first few weeks ...