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Assuming and incorporating all of the cultural traditions that this community has. they made it their own. and they're now just feeling like one of their own, in this case, ten people of their own lost their lives, and so many people are just wondering why? what caused this? it is just so heart breaking, jose. especially when you listen to them talk about this party atmosphere and they probably thought it was the safest place in the world and it quickly became anything but. what more can you tell us about the suspect, jose? >> reporter: we know very little other than his age and his name. that...

Family, his wife and his son, about his desire to see violence come about tenancy pelosi as well. there was just a ton of really awful rhetoric about that. but there was some bad rhetoric from some of the defendants who weren't convicted as well. i just think that the pre-planning and this talk, especially from stewart rhodes, about wanting to get in touch with donald trump and the specific plan, is really what this over the edge here. if you tried so many times to get in touch with donald trump, that's really one of the things that stood out to me about this trial is he was just one pillow gu...

It requires showing up in agreement of conspiracy by two or more people to use force to oppose the authority of the united states government. and so, the case you mentioned -- i think many jurors are skeptical of any kind of a charge that involves political activity or free speech. but the key element is the use of force. and so, as we saw in this case, at least with regard to stewart rhodes and kelly mugs, the jury had no problem finding them guilty in light of evidence that we just heard ryan talk about, about using force, using weapons, using guns, hanging nancy pelosi, all of those things ...

>> you know, there's a lot of them that churn through every day. biggest one right now i think in addition to the seditional oath keepers trial is the proud boys. their case from what we've seen so far is even stronger in terms of pre-planning. you might have a case you have more proud boys potentially convicted of seditious conspiracy charge than you did oath keepers. doj did get, before oath keepers trial, three oath keepers defendants to plead guilty to the charge of seditious conspiracy. none actually testified during the trial. interesting. a couple other oath keepers pleaded guilty to le...

You did members of the oath keepers. in the case of the oath keepers, you really oent had one of these individuals actually physically engage with officers. jessica watkins, tried in this first case and admitted that she was in that crowd inside the capitol pushing up against police officers and in fact took the stand said find me guilty of this count, and the jury did, in terms of civil disorder. but predication to the proud boys, there's a ton of evidence of pre-planning and physically smashing windows. famous video we see over and over again of someone taking a police shield and actually ph...