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Is broken forever. there is a transformational moment in american politics, nothing will be the same. it turned out he would be an answer to the trivia question. there was no pre roism. it was a sui general phenomenon. i wonder which paths lay before us. is he this transformational hinge in american history about the appeal of particularly white nationalism front and center or relegated to a kind of footnote? >> i don't know, i hope it's the latter t. arguments of the former though is, in fact, as much as i say trump is different. he actually is the culmination of a certain path that the repub...

It's not like bush 1 for instance with willie horton, which was bad, by the way, right? not definite. this is a thing in order to get over. it's the core of him. he began his career in birtherrism. it wasn't along the way. that was what kicked it off. so i think in that sense, he's different. >> there's a real question i think about sometimes about trump and i think about ross perot. >> right. >> where i think about it. i remember living through the ross perot phenomenon and thinking there was all these pieces like the two-party system is broken forever. there is a transformational moment in a...