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This is not a virtual thing that is done online. for context, imagine that we're -- this is pre-world war ii and the president of the united states finds out a bunch of germans came to the united states to try to find out information about what was going on here, our infrastructure, how to make us fight with each other. would fdr have said, what was my predecessor doing about this? a lot of people say active war is too strong and it's too hyperbottic. i'm not sure that it is. this is foreign agents dispatched to this country to try to, i think in an act of at least hostility, if not war, weake...

>> homeland security. and any stumbling blocks ahead? >> not that i can see. i know he really wanted to get his cia director in yesterday. he wanted to sort of send this message by going there monday, visiting with them. >> why didn't he get that yesterday? >> there were a couple of stalls. i forgot who -- >> scheduling stalls? >> no. >> they want more debate. >> you know, it's not unprecedented to not have your cia director. i think that hayden was obama's director until february. so, that does take time. >> but the america first principle that harkens back to the pre-world war ii era really ...

Have the other side who is kind of like apprehensive about how this will affect relations with china. >> yeah. look, we should be concerned about being overly confrontational with china. this is the most important bilateral relationship in the world and will be for decades. but on this one specific issue, the south china sea, there are enormous stakes. for the u.s. this is not about the u.s. and china. this is about the entire international order. what china wants to do is return to a way of making international rules that existed pre-world war ii. it's undermining 75 years of the way the glob...

At eight year period in the 1960s. after decades of resistance the cia declassified briefings considered the most of force if assessment produced by the intelligence community of the time and shared with president kennedy and lyndon johnson. the briefings, the cuban missile crisis including this matter of confirmed sites for surface-to-air missiles, suspected sites and runways that make aircraft. there granular in detail, and read in part seven of 12 sites observed in this occasion have missiles on launchers. some are operational. these hearken back to a simpler time. >> president kennedy and ...

Time, we should believe it no more now than we should have believed it then. >> okay. why has this become such a popular refrain on the right? i have a theory. i'm joined by eugene robinson, columnist for the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst. and michael ruben, scholar at the american enterprise institute. he's the author of "dancing with the devil." it seems to me the neoconservative movement intellectually has been found on a couple things. they didn't like community control of the teachers in new york, especially. i understand some of that. this notion, it's about world war ii ...