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Get me. that's the strategy. it's been the strategy the entire presidency. and it has prevented him and i think will prevent him ultimately from being removed from office. >> neal katyal, just reality check this for us. would mitch mcconnell have to decide that he wants it on him and on his legacy to out a whistle-blower? and what happens if the next president is not in his party? what sorts of precedence do you worry about when you hear a white house fantasy for a senate trial? >> yeah. i worry about the whistle-blower, one, in particular, nicole, because since 1777 our nations relied on whis...

>> bill: this is live lindsey graham on one of the senate might or might not do. >> examination is fundamentally unfair. i don't want to legitimize this and democrats may like it today but if there is a democratic president you cut a small majority of republicans in the house here basically going to destroy the presidency over time if you continue this and how would you as a member of congress like to be on the receiving end of something like this. somebody said he did something wrong, the whistle-blower complaint but you can find out who they are and all the accusations against your based on ...

So that was the pitch. tillerson said we can't do that. this is something that's already in a criminal proceeding and not to mention the, the precedent set. right? the idea putting americans in danger, the fact they could be held hostage in order to do prisoner swaps. tillerson refused. the president said, could jeff sessions do this? the same answer. so in the end what the president said was for the two men to essentially try to work it out's in the end that prisoner swap did not happen. >> got you. it's, we're going to talk about the law and procedures here with these lawyers. evan, thank yo...

Watchdog briefing. what would you tell me about what is expected there? >> i think it's a series of interviews we can expect over the next little bit. you listen to all this, harris, everything of listen to in the few minutes i've been able to listen to your reporters and the president, there's an awful lot of fury in the democrats. and the accusations. there's very little reason and no appearance of fairness to this process. i just think at the end of the day the american people are going to roll their eyes that much of what they are seeing. >> harris: will you have staff there? >> oh, yeah. ...

Issues in favor of these witnesses being required to testify and then when they get back into that congressional hearing, they're going to have to tell the truth just like they told it to bob mueller. that's going to implicate the president. >> all right. eugene, perhaps the most chilling part of robert mueller's testimony was his concerns, his comments about the precedent set by trump's campaign's ties with russia and the overall concern about russian interference. please watch this. >> if we established a new normal from this past campaign that is going to apply to future campaigns, so that ...