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Brought, and they've done that so far. but i do think we have seen rudy giuliani sort of take this notion that you can't indict the president and use that to say, why should you subpoena him? why should he sit for an interview? this is part of it, the notion that trump and his associates colluded with russians are part of the investigation, just like obstruction of justice is part of the investigation. but the broader question is interference by russians in the 2016 election. this doesn't just get tied up with a bow and put an end to it. >> there was a precedent set and the doj leader rod rose...

Precedent set in the hillary clinton email investigation. remember, he added an element that you have to harm -- have intent to harm national security. you can be grossly negligent. you can be extremely careless. you can take america's most sensitive national security information and leave them in a starbucks outside the kremlin, but under the most recent department case deciding this matter you can't be charged with the improper disclosure of classified information. >> harris: congressman ratcliff, fascinating conversation. glad you were here today. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> harr...

"the wall street journal" is reporting the white house is reviewing pruitt's activity. politico is reporting that white house chief of staff john kelly has considered firing pruitt in the coming months as part of a series of ousting of top officials causing headache for the president. that, according to a senior administration official. amid all the negative headlines, pruitt announced yesterday he is revoked obama era standards requiring cars and light trucks sold in the u.s. to average more than 50 miles per gallon by 2025. joining us now once again from washington, d.c., white house corre...

A stretch in early june, according to "the washington post." let's talk about this, with us is our national political correspondent and a former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy and affairs. he is a distinguished fellow with the digital forensic research lab. gentlemen, welcome to you both. steve, tom price lost his job over shall we call it, a transportation issue. are these people any different? >> you look at -- super officially this is the same thing. in both cases you look at that issue of perks of very expensive travel in the case of the veterans affairs secretary, bringing a...

With the atlanta council's digital forensic research lab. gentlemen, welcome to you both. steve, tom price lost his job over, shall we call it, a transportation issue. are these people any different? >> you look at -- superficially this is pretty much the same thing. in both cases you look at that issue of perks of very expensive travel in the case of the veterans affairs secretary, bringing along his wife at taxpayer expense. if you believe there was a precedent set with tom price, and it took a while before the tom price thing came to a head, you have to wonder is there a similar example mad...