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Aleppo/grosny style. if we see that come to be and sadly it looks to be the direction it's going, the stingers and the javelins don't appear to stop that, right? so does that put other options back on the table at that point? >> well, i think we just have to ask the question, right, what more can we do? stingers are a short range air defense weapon. what the russians are, they're not really interested in precision fire power, right, they're just interested in inflicting as many deaths as they can on innocent people and increasing human suffering. so they could fly above the level the stingers ...

Isis snipers. but here they are, less than 20 metres away from the historic city of raqqa, a milestone in the war to rid the middle east of isis. american special forces providing precision fire power from two miles down the road. here where civilians are trapped, perhaps as human shields. some days isis has cut off water and everything to them, he says. they told him to stay inside, and if they go out, they'll slaughter them. we're the first journalists they take in. over this side, they say they're safe from sniper cover. and there is the old city right there. something we just hear regularl...