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Hitting that base with cruise missiles, with their caliber missiles, which are precision weapons, and hitting the building with precision weapons against a military target versus the area of fire weapons that they're using against cities like mariupol and kharkiv and kyiv tells me that, as general clark said, the terror approach to the citizenry is very different than the precision approach to the ukrainian military. >> and -- and general clark, we have seen just that continued just shelling of residential buildings. i mean, it becomes sort of -- it becomes sort of numb to it just looking at t...

They blew up buildings. they frightened and killed a lot of people. and that is the sort of russian way of war. on top of that are these precision weapons. but you've got to have a targeting system for that. you've got to have an intelligence system that works on a realtime basis. and the only thing we've seen is this one strike really that's effective against this base, which had a bunch of people in it. i guess they were the people that had come across the border trying to help the ukrainians. i'm told that somebody posted a facebook post or some kind of social media post and explained, hey,...

Using long-range fires, cruise missiles, artillery and they're directing it almost indiscriminately. >> i was talking to a former military official who said, just look at the way they're doing this on the ground. no night vision goggles, no position, dumb bombs rather than precision weapons. it tells you how degraded their training is and equipment. >> indeed. i spent four years shall we say closely observing the russian military, and i watched them gradually improve, improve but over the last few years clearly they have gone over a negative edge in the sense that their logistics are terrible....

Russian air force, they do not get the same number of flight hours that the u.s. air force gets. they don't have the same kind of precision munitions. one of the things the cia director confirmed today is that they are dropping dumb bombs, very few precision weapons. that's why they're not hitting the targets. they may be aiming at civilian facilities, but they're hitting things with 500-pound dumb bombs that have no precision, so they may have an excuse for why they're not violating war crimes. it's because they don't have the precision to hit the targets they're aim at, but there's no milita...

>> well, at this point they either may be low in that inventory because they just never produced it, or it could be that they're saving their good stuff for a little bit later. look at the focus of their bombing campaigns and their artillery campaigns right now. these are not key military targets. these are strikes in cities and infrastructure to basically cause panic among the civilians and get them to evacuate and to demonstrate what they're going to do when they start the big fights around kyiv. it could well be that they're saving their more sophisticated weapons for either the fight in ky...