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And possibly putting all 50 states in the preclearance -- under the preclearance umbrella and it's eight years later. why hasn't hr-4, the voting rights act been issue 1 politically it feels as if hr-1 and s-1 have sort of diluted something that could be used right now to deal with what's happening in the state legislatures. >> well, when it comes to hr-4 you're absolutely correct and the reason is it's only now that so many states are demonstrating that it has preclearance. 48 states have passed something that we might call restrictive laws when it comes to voting. way back when we first pass...

Legislation, because the for the people act, what it does is it gives a national start. will you're in idaho or alabama, you can have absentee ballot voting, no-excuse absentee ballot voting, and some of the issues that have led to the abuse of power. and the john lewis act, it was the eighth anniversary of the shelby versus holder decision, and that decision ripped out section five. so having the john lewis voter rights act will actually restore, creates a new formula and stores some of the expanded protection on the right to vote. >> just so people are clear, that piece of the voting rights ...

From getting clearance. it's called preclearance, before they change their rules any further, and that ruling in the supreme court kind of pulled out what many would consider the teeth of the voting rights act. before i have to let you go, what would you make of this possible compromise? it seems like there might be some kind of a plan that got joe manchin's approval. do you have hope for a compromise in congress if, let's say, these two pieces of legislation don't pass as they are currently written that we could reach some other sort of compromise? >> the quick version is on tuesday, we saw s...

Saying this violates is currently being considered by the supreme court and it could be weakened, the protections that it typically offered previously could be weakened in a ruling as soon as monday. so i think this is because they know they have a high bar to do this in part because as he said in his own press conference, merrick garland, pre clearance, section 5 of the voting rights act is no longer something they can use as a vehicle to stop discriminatory legislation in their view. >> how could this, in fact, impact any efforts to get vote rights legislation passed in congress, specificall...

Back before this roberts' court decision in shelby county. the way it worked was states had to tell the department of justice what they wanted to do. and then, the department of justice had to approve it. preclearance is what it was called. without the formula that allows the doj to decide which states and which counties to apply preclearance to, it all basically fell apart. so now, they are relying on section two. which flips the burdens. which basically says that the department of justice, or whoever's filing suit, has to prove that there was a discriminatory intent inside the law. now, if t...