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I don't understand it. >> do you understand it, ron? >> there's no evidence that policy fundamentally comes from him to begin with, right. in the sense that we have seen consistently through this presidency that he -- he operates in an orbit that is somewhat distinct from the policy orbit. what the president does is precipitate an end lesser rees of personal feuds on twitter, comments, suggestions of the kind we're talking about today, meanwhile there's a pole out that says 60% of the public thinks the tax plan is towards the rich. the president has shown he can dominate the news cycle. he has...

Off with hillary clinton. >> look, there's a whole world out there that is below the fold, below the radar scope that we don't know about which is the intelligence community. they have rivalries between them. they have ideological pred likss, if there were raw data here, it would be difficult for us to interpret it. two groups looking at the same data can read the same thing and interpret it 180 degrees differently from each other. that's what happened here. when donald trump says the russians did not hack mrs. clinton, he's right. somebody leaked from mrs. clinton's emails, but nobody went in...