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And also wasn't involved in the firing of james comey, so what are you hoping to get out of him? >> you don't have to be there to know what happened. for instance, bannon could have talked to people would were there, they could have come and told him they were concerned about the drafting of the statement in bedminster to cover the reasons for the firing. they could have told bannon, you know, the rationale behind the flynn or comey firing. so the mere fact that he wasn't there didn't mean that he is not potentially an important witness. >> chuck rosenberg, a man many in your field speak very ...

Writes in politico, "the downside ranges from a cycle of retaliatory violence to outright nuclear war targeting u.s. territory." and a democratic senator wrote to secretary james mattis, warning that kim jong un would see a strike as the opening salvo in a war. what might u.s. forces target in a so-called surgical strike? >> the most likely preemptive strike would go against nuclear development facilities and known launch sites. and those capabilities that exist. and there would be a strike against those artillery pieces that are located close to the dmz and can launch and attack seoul. >> rep...

Meeting between president trump and kim jong-un to someday get rid of this nuclear threat from north korea? >> i think what we are seeing is what happens when americans viscerally feel like they could be on the receiving end of a nuclear missile. it's not just intellectual and something you see pundits talking about on tv. it's real people trying to call their loved ones with their last messages. so you could start to see pressure building in a certain feedback loop where president trump can't just tweet about little rocket man in a vacuum, that people start to ask what kind of moves are being...

Today looks at how u.s. intelligence agencies underestimated north korea. the report says after early hesitation, analysts now degree that the north's september nuclear test was its first successful test of a hydrogen weapon with explosive force 15 times greater than the atom bomb that leveled hiroshima. what does this mean for the u.s.? >> well, the size of the weapon actually i think is insignificant. if the north koreans had one weapon and it was really, really big, i think it would be much easier for us than having many smaller weapons, they have by some estimates between 30 and maybe as m...

Gigantic weapon than the many smaller weapons they do have. makes it much more difficult, indeed, impossible, to conduct a preemptive strike. >> and colonel, kim jong uncelebrates his 34th birthday tomorrow. do you think he surprised the u.s. last year with his commitment to the nuclear weapons program? >> oh, yeah, definitely we were spliced. we were all sanguine about how long it would take the north koreans to develop weapons, to develop the capability to deliver them. and when kim came to power, he accelerated the north korean program to result in exactly what we see now. we were caught co...