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And they don't want to be challenged. what richard perle says, don't ask why. they don't want to be challenged with the killer question. did those young people die in vain. and that's the question that crushes them. and that's why they are running right now as best they can. >> i wish in a way it would crush them. i don't see that crushing. i was driving in the car two days ago with my 13-year-old daughter when we heard that interview with richard perle. she looked at me when he said that's not a reasonable question and said, who is this man? she, without my saying anything -- >> and what did ...

Here is what he wrote on fox news website. as a strictly military matter if the war in iraq ended when we got to baghdad, it would have been counted an historic victory. the war went sour after the occupation began. if only someone had thought about that, what would happen after we invaded. back in 2003 he didn't seem too concerned about that. take a listen. >> there's been a good deal of comments, some of it quite outlandish about what our post war requirements might be in iraq. some of the higher end predictions we've been hearing recently, such as the notion it will take several hundred tho...

Into eiran? >> when you have a big lie, you have to have a big denial to follow it, and that denial has to be resist yent. one of this size is the type that people go to the grave with, and it's hard to watch cheney and then the whole gang of neocons sort of smiling at the camera saying, okay, now what do we do? next syria, next iran. because the fundamental principles that's behind this, the big idea, so to speak, of this whole gang is one that they still believe in, that of preemtive war, that the united states is the lone superpower in the world, has the right to invade for whatever they de...

It's denying reality. to ron's point, you asked him how could they think this way? they're not concerned with the real world with expertise, with better measuring costs and benefits because they think they're above it. they don't pay the costs. this is all a giant lab experiment for them, and they know better than the intelligence people. they know better than the foreign -- >> it's such a stupid answer. the admiral, not a bad guy, didn't want to attack us at pearl harbor. he would have said, you know, if it had stopped at pearl harbor, it would have been a pretty good war for us. what a stupi...

When the gravest of threats are eliminated the freedom loving peoples of the region will have a chance to promote the values that can bring lasting peace. simply stated, there is no doubt that saddam hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. there is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us. >> do you think the american people are prepared for a long, costly, and bloody battle with a significant american casualties? >> i don't think it's likely to unfold that way, tim, because i do believe we will be greeted as liberators. >> ron suski...