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Your case here is for the process, not necessarily for impeachment and then expulsion. why does this process have to begin this way. >> i think we off again impeachment wrong. it is a guarantee of chaos. it is the remedy for the nation. we're having this debate over donald trump's fitness for office. courts are truking down his actions. we are all of the time as a nation debating this but not using the mechanism that plays out. >>. >> it was interesting to read jeffrey goldberg the editor for

Clinton. what they laid out and many others laid out is a very broad scope of wrong doing by president trump, potential wrong doing by defying the constitutional prerogatives he swore to uphold, the cause, the sense that his family is making money off of his presidency. there is a huge range of things that the congress could into it. >> i think there is a natural order of events here. most members of congress want to see the mueller report before even considering this or even beginning a preimpeachment process. >> a lot of us in the last congress demanded that this mueller investigation be

President. and none of those folks stepped out in a outraged way to say that he had been wromg. >>. >> that is an amazing thing, and christian followed up with one more, do you acknowledge you shifted your tone with cuomo last night on collusion? >> it was subconscious.kushner, roger stone, no one stepped out to say anything. an elected president is admitting that maybe some people on the campaign colluded, what would you do with this information. >> remember this is as much a legal and investigative process as it is a political process, and what giuliani did yesterday