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>> it's bad. i think what else is important here is that for a lot of conservatives who are critical or skeptical about the senate bill, preem kwmiums are number thing. caucus, ted cruz, not talking about health care freedom. a bad messaging point. how the number one thing they want is lower premiums. numbers like that, incredibly different self. even if premiuming go down in 2020 a lot of these guys, realize in 2018, don't have the luxury saying, well, your premiums doubled this year. in two years things will be better. doesn't necessarily work. >> and tricky, too, older voters have more sway...

Have health care coverage? that's a fundamental real-life problem for folks in mainstream america. >> julie, you are very steeped in the details of this, and every other proposal that we've seen come out. when you look at the numbers republicans will say, look, we reduced premiums, though. they start going down in 2020. when you dissect this bill, will you seeing a real attack on cost, and what is the offset to that? >> no, not really. we're seeing a shift in cost. the cbo was very clear. premiuming go down because the insurance those premiums will buy will cover fewer things. a healthy young ...