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That has people frustrated. >> why do people -- >> but the deficit reduction part is important. your side embraced that. when it came to 23 million, they said, no, it was -- >> i just explained it. >> following up on the cbo report, it did find that preel y -- premiums on average would go down, but in the markets that employed the waivers, they believed there might not be any access for the group -- >> let me explain what this means. >> it would go up for older and sicker people, as well. >> if a state takes a waiver, then a state, in order to get the waiver, has to have a risk system in place...

The surface. can you explain how that's supposed to work? >> under the republican alternative, cbo said the premiums would first go up and eventually be lower. the reason that happens is because they're not referring to the premium for the same person, they're referring to the premiums on average. so what happens over time in this republican bill is sicker and older people get priced out of the market. they leave the market and become uninsured and die as a result. who's left is younger and healthier people. they're cheaper. so as a result the average premium in the market goes down, not becau...