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Cost and taxpayer in the future. >> i think that's right you picked out an important nugget which is what's going to happen, america is asking, to my premiums and my cost of medicine and the real answer is, it's going to go up. and finally, there was a concessi concession, it will go up, but you're going to get a better policy. that gets to the second issue, which is, that people are going to be getting policies that are selected by the government, sometimes more than they need. the catastrophic policy, was sort of dinged by the president. he believes everyone should have the same policy, same...

That's right out of the cbo report. the remaining 14 million people who buy individual coverage, will either pay the same or a little bit more, but they'll get better policies. just really quickly in terms of -- >> go ahead. >> on this washington issue, the states are much more prescriptive in terms of prem m premiums and what's in a package and senate and house bills. these senate and house bills would provide tremendous flexibility in what would be in these packages. you can buy an insurance package where you would pay 40% of the costs, all the way up to a package where you pay only 10% of t...

Until you feel the teeth of that shark. >> regulate all this. should people in washington decide how this works and what you can and cannot buy? >> reporter: after about six hours, republicans believed they made their case to the american people, that the president's plan is simply too costly. >> it means that for millions of americans peopliums will go up because when people pay those new taxes, premiums will go up and they will also go up because of the government mandates. >> reporter: but democrats believe the president got the better of the republicans. >> so, lamar, when you mentioned ea...

Had been discussed. >> and you know, ken, the other interesting thing, you just spoke to this as well, that the president's plan, democrats say we need to cover 31 million uninsured americans. there's 47 million uninsured americans they argue and when you talk to republicans senator john cornyn, said that's a wildly inflated number, when you talk about people that want and need insurance and can't afford it, you're talking about a much lower number. if you can't agree on who wants and needs health insurance at various stages of their lives how can you move forward who is going to get it under ...

Alexander and president obama on whether or not premiums would rise under president obama's plan. >> so, lamar, when you mentioned earlier that you said, peopremi go up, that's just not the case according to the congressional budget office. >> mr. president f you're going to contradict me i ought to have a chance to -- the congressional budget office report says that premiums will rise in the individual market as a result of the senate bill. >> no, no, no. let me -- this is an example of where we've got to get our facts straight. >> that's my point. >> well, exactly. so let me respond to what ...