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Understand is this distinction between the state and the private sector in russia is a lot more blurred there than it is here in the united states or in any liberal democracy. mr. deripaska coordinates very closely with the kremlin. he made his fortune because the government basically helped him make his fortune. and at least in the reporting in the ap story today, the secret document, the strategy document says very explicitly that mr. manafort will help putin and his image and the russian government in all those different arenas, the political and economic and press arenas. so even if he is ...

Tonight, what do you make of that point in the totality of what we know? >> well, i know oleg deripaska. i dealt with him when i was in the u.s. government and as a u.s. ambassador. i think what people should understand is this distinction between the state and the private sector in russia is a lot more blurred there than it is here in the united states or in any liberal democracy. mr. deripaska coordinates very closely with the kremlin. he made his fortune because the government basically helped him make his fortune. and at least in the reporting in the ap story today, the secret document, th...