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And, you know, again, it's a big part of being leadership. it is kind of tough to go to people and ask for money when you've got a david duke albatross hanging around your neck. >> it doesn't sound good in any language, no matter how you said that. >> john stem, john, thank you very much: i appreciate you being here. >> good to be here. >> i will say, david duke, anybody in the news business knows, is one of those sort of fringe guys that really thrives on publicity. i think he has never not returned a press call. the press is what is his life blood. i don't know if there is congress that davi...

The whip and out in front. and, you know again, it's a big part of being leadership. it is kind of tough to go to people and ask for money when you've got a david duke albatross hanging around your neck. >> it doesn't sound good in any language, no matter how you said that. >> john stem john thank you very much: i appreciate you being here. >> good to be here. >> i will say, david duke anybody in the news business knows, is one of those sort of fringe guys that really thrives on publicity. i think he has never not returned a press call. the press is what is his life blood. i don't know if ther...

That was the way they were getting to healthcare.gov that day. so it did actually show it was driving some traffic. whether people sign up, that's still an open question. >> and whether they paid. that's the main critique i've heard in consumer media the last few days is okay, 6 million people have signed up but have they paid? how legitimate is that question and how loud will we continue to hear that? >> i think it's a reasonable question to ask, especially since this isn't something that's been asked by reporters of the white house on numerous press calls, where every month we have a press c...

Governor acknowledged it in a press call which was really stunning, to a group of reporters, he said, look, i know there's alternative legislation that was negotiated on a bipartisan basis in the state legislature to say, look, let's not roll over open meetings, let's not roll over open control, let's try to work something out with the local folks. i talked to the mine owner and he's not going to go for that, he pretty much needs the deal we talked about before. >> that was the deal we had to take. >> this is the amazing thing about democracy. if you're listening, you hold the power, voters of...

Pen from the bill signing okaying this mine and pushing it through, he was a target. >> wait, they're going after him now? >> yes. >> they're going after not only mine supporters, they're going after mine supporters plain and simple, and they're going after folks who are a little doubtful because they're worried about their drinking water. generally are very pro business small town folks. >> there's an amazing one-two punch that happened here. you just mentioned scott walker signed a controversial piece of legislation. legislation will dramatically reshape wisconsin's mining regulations to eas...