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Bit historical. how would you characterize this president's relationship with the press as compared to other presidents you've covered and watched? >> first of all, i'm one of those who has said that this is unique in the history of the american presidency. the closest we've had was presidency of richard nixon and, of course, during the period of quote, watergate, widespread criminal conspiracy led by the president himself, president nixon disliked the press, he hated the press, he was very hostile to the press and he systematically tried to undercut reporters and press institutions, no questi...

Fake news. he knows the value of repeating propaganda and lies. it needs to be noted. and you have noted it, one fountain of fake lies is the president of the united states himself. time and time again. but he's made some headway with this and those of us in the press who make mistakes, we all do, i've made my share, every time we make a mistake it fuels his ability to convince some of the people that all of the press is not worth a damn and quote, enemies of the people. >> you mentioned the mistakes and i do want to ask you about this incident that you had under the bush administration in whi...

Sense within the body politic that the press is vulnerable, that the public can be convinced that the press is not what it sets out to be. what i will say, chris, when we talk about these things, i think it's very important to know, what everyone thinks of the press tharkts press is absolutely essentially to our system of checks and balances, it is the red beating heart of freedom and democracy and if you don't have the press as a watch dog you're unlikely to have the kind of government we have. >> dan rather, thanks for being with me. the president under investigation. the birth of bombshel...

January 12th story, i would not have published that allegation unless i was confident that it was true. >> right. >> you talk in detail about sourcing. but when i was an editor i used to say that my reporters would say, i have six sources, my response as editor would say, i want to know how you know it's true? there's a difference. and i was confident this was true. >> do you think -- what has it been like with the mueller investigation which my sense has been incredibly tight lipped? >> yeah. for those of us who have covered bob mueller over the years from his days at the justice department a...

Discredit the media. >> i don't want to go over the whole thing but let me say that the documents that we used to support the story -- we reported a true story about president bush's george w. bush's service was a true story. the process by which we arrived at that truth was the only vulnerability he had with in the document. the documents to this day have never been proven anything other than authentic but i agree that the burden is on the press to prove the authenticity. your point is very -- >> that incident, which again, was i think the entire thing was conducted in good faith would be my ...