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Justice is obstruction of justice and if he can prove there was intent combined with a corrupt purpose, then you have obstruction of justice so when you look at somebody like trump, basically getting rid of comey, pressuring sessions, you can build a very strong case against him. it doesn't require just one act of conduct. >> interesting article in politico, where it looked like a dozen different legal minds and their interpretation of where this stands, jennifer taub of vermont law school said this smells like obstruction of justice, but a mere whiff of impropriety does not necessarily form a...

>> we'll leak it for -- >> let me say in subsequent meetings, we used to nerf ball. it was a lot safer. it did break the ice, i've got to admit that. it broke a few things but it did break the ice as well. >> there's nothing like a good stick it to the head to make people focus more clearly. before i let you go, senators, give me your take on the all right out of axios that the president was pressuring sessions to pressure wray to get rid of mccabe, one of the senior agents there at the fbi who is on his way out. angus, what do you make of that report and what does it mean to you if true. >>...