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Reason gadhafi should survive, he becomes a huge danger to the u.s., does he not? i mean we called for his removal. we bombed his military facilities and his tanks and killed some of his forces. and he's got money. so he could support terrorism across the world. >> it's also the symbolism to the middle east for mubarak who did things to reform to be gone and gadhafi who did not reform anticipate used forces against his own people to stay. that's somehow going to get blamed on us. and in the middle east, the people are going to read it as the united states wanted mubarak on and they wanted gadh...

>> it's also the symbolism to the middle east for mubarak who did things to reform to be gone and gadhafi who did not reform anticipate used forces against his own people to stay. that's somehow going to get blamed on us. and in the middle east, the people are going to read it as the united states wanted mubarak on and they wanted gadhafi to stay. that is a terrible outcome. and a terrible message to the middle east because basically says, you know, the way to stay is to use force against your own people which is exactly the opposite message we want to send. >> stand by. i want both of you to ...

And so even though everybody keeps saying, no, mission is not to get rid of gadhafi. how can you stop the mission unless gadhafi is gone? do you have any doubt that the minute both planes stop enforcing a no-fly zone he'll be back with his troops going after the rebels? >> it will depend on the circumstance that's exist at that particular time. there's other means for moving gadhafi than military. we've seen that in other countries. we saw that in egypt where the people of egypt removed their dictator. the people of libya can remove their dictator. we're not the ones to remove him. we are the ...

Has to be prepared to stay there until the rebels can undo gadhafi. >> it's not just the rebels. it's the people who will ultimately undo gadhafi. it's also going to be economic sanctions. freeze of his assets. $30 billion his assets have been frozen. >> but do we have to stay there so long as he's in office? >> not necessarily. depends on -- depends on whether or not the other means, the economic means, the political means succeed and it depends on whether or not the people are able to contain him and ultimately remove him. the military mission is clearly stated, not to remove gadhafi. i didn...

Frankly, the libyan opposition had gotten to the point where this truly was a civil war. they controlled territory. candy, i think the most important thing -- i may have been a little reluctant two or three weeks ago to be very active in libya. we are where we are now and we need success. we talked about gadhafi must go. he must go not because of libya but because of the region. if we fail in libya, we will teach assad and the leaders in tehran that if you're willing to kill enough of your own citizens, you get to stay in power with impunity. maybe the most important thing we can do with regar...