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Will be fought to prevent kyiv from being encircled. >> and let's talk about the south, as well. i mean we saw the extensive damage in mariupol. the russians have been able to take two towns. but they are not able, still, to completely take and occupy and hold big cities. what's your take on the southern part -- that southern front -- where russia is obviously trying to create a contiguous territory, swath of territory, in the south? >> yeah, mariupol is a real obstacle and they are doing everything they can to reduce it. and they lack the forces to actually go in and -- and clear it, block by...
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