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A grain of salt when the president calls this fake fuss. this s -- fake news. this is devastating. this goes to specific intent. to prove obstruction, mueller and his team have to show trump had corrupt intent. was he interfering with the investigation to protect his interests or pursue his own interests? that is at the crux of the story. when you put together the order to fire mueller with the outrage over his jeff sessions recusing himself and reports he wanted to fire rod rosenstein and james comey, this is looking to protect trump and prevent mueller from finding any wrongdoing with respec...

Indictments? >> my expectation is because of the way the cfr works is that mueller went to rosenstein, told him what they were going to do. rosenstein made a decision, if you will, that this was not inappropriate or unwarranted, which would prevent mueller potentially from bringing the charges, and therefore, mueller was free to bring the charges. because mueller doesn't need his approval per se -- >> we can assume he's already got rosenstein's blessing. >> well, he's got -- >> for these charges. >> well, yeah. we can use the word blessing, but he wasn't -- the charges weren't rejected by rose...

Has already signed off on these indictments? >> my expectation is because of the way the cfr works is that mueller went to rosenstein, told him what they were going to do. rosenstein made a decision, if you will, that this was not inappropriate or unwarranted, which would prevent mueller potentially from bringing the charges, and therefore, mueller was free to bring the charges. because mueller doesn't need his approval per se -- >> we can assume he's already got rosenstein's blessing. >> well, he's got -- >> for these charges. >> well, yeah. we can use the word blessing, but he wasn't -- the ...

Inappropriate or unwarranted, then he can essentially overrule mueller. and so i don't think, jack, there is a likelihood that there will be some traffic court like indictment returned for the sake of bullying because of the process that they have to follow under the code of federal regulations. >> anderson, one last point. >> yeah. >> i did look up at the commercial break and mueller does have to file a report with the attorney general. it's a confidential report, but i believe the attorney general has the authority to release it if he wants to. >> and does rod rosenstein have to approve if m...

Deal, it was an acceleration of the investigation. the grand jury certainly signals the next stage in mueller's investigation. the request for the documentation with the clearer story about what might be the issue with mike flynn. who we need to remember was a very high level official at the start of this administration in the campaign. signals this is ramping up. i think the white house is aware of this. >> he's the national security adviser that high up. >> and on the campaign trail he was the voice of the administration from the convention on on national security. >> a huge adviser to the p...