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I'm obviously not a lawyer. but, you know, people did claim to have religious objections to, for example, interracial dating or interracial marriage or, indeed, what they used to call race mixing down where i grew up. and they said the good lord didn't intend that. well, that was wrong. >> let's talk the money issue on this. i'm more comfortable and more knowledgeable about. arizona went through hell with the martin luther king issue. and they don't want to have another thing like that. is that the sentiment out there? >> absolutely. martin luther king, more recently sb-1070 did some really se...

Legislature last year lost a bitter fight to prevent phoenix from passing that civil rights ordinance. she came back almost the very next day at the legislature with a bill similar to the one we're talking about right now. it did pass last year. governor brewer vetoed it. mainly because she was in a fight with the legislature over something else, the medicaid expansion. cathi herrod, the woman behind the bill brought it back again this year. it passed locally. but you have to see it locally. it really is all about getting around ordinances in phoenix, tucson and flagstaff, our largest cities. ...

Sheriff of pinal county, next to phoenix is a republican. he is gay. if he went to a hotel with another male and tried to check into a room, that male may or may not be his partner, tried to check into a room, the owner or manager of that hotel with a religious objection could denied him and his partner or staffer service. >> and is that the law of arizona today that they can do that or do they have to pass the law to have the owner be able to say that? >> that's a very good point. right now in arizona you can discriminate against the lgbt community. they have no civil rights protections excep...

Eliminate an anti-discrimination law here in phoenix that protects the lgbt community. the sponsor of this bill in the legislature last year lost a bitter fight to prevent phoenix from passing that civil rights ordinance. she came back almost the very next day at the legislature with a bill similar to the one we're talking about right now. it did pass last year. governor brewer vetoed it. mainly because she was in a fight with the legislature over something else, the medicaid expansion. kathy hera, the woman behind the bill brought it back again this year. it passed locally. but you have to se...

>> the truth is we really don't know. >> what are we talking about here? >> well, let me give you a hypothetical. i bounced off a lawyer, he said this was correct. so here in arizona we have the sheriff of pinal county, next to phoenix is a republican. he is gay. if he went to a hotel with another male and tried to check into a room, that male may or may not be his partner, tried to check into a room, the owner or manager of that hotel with a religious objection could denied him and his partner or staffer service. >> and is that the law of arizona today that they can do that or do they have to...