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For all the grumbling and noises and the growls from moscow on occasions, that they could be reassured that certain rules would not be broken? absolutely. here in finland, for instance, people thought they had a really good relationship going with russia, a good trading relationships, a good political relationship, no real upsets or problems. then suddenly there starts to be talk that finland, like sweden, might feel happier being in nato. and immediately, russia threatens them with possible military consequences. ok, maybe they didn't mean they were going to bomb or invade, maybe they would j...

Future. the last two times the president has done this, there's been an increase in the price of oil about 18%. it has had the reverse effect. this will only work if the president says, okay, i'm going to release a million barrels a day and aggressively retool how we conduct our onshore and offshore oil and gas programs on the federal side, and i'm going to make sure that that has an incredibly robust production going forward as well. it's going to be difficult for this administration to do it because it's contrary to what their message has been for the last year and a half, but that's the onl...

When it comes to the bright spots in the economy, but that won't -- that frustration won't necessarily change the fact that americans are struggling right now, so what would you advise if you were inside the white house? in your earlier life, you were in a who is. >> i was, wolf. and when i was in the white house, in my earlier life, it was in a previous economic crisis and one of the things that we learned very quickly was, you can't persuade people what they don't believe. we get back good jobs reports and we would want to go out and tout those jobs reports, but people weren't feeling it in ...

I think it's having the reverse effect. the country realizes they have a lot to hide and that they don't want us to get to the truth. we'll get to the truth and we have a very strong bipartisan committee right now and we're going to kick it off with law enforcement, which to me is like the moral center of gravity of the whole thing because these were hundreds of our officers on the capitol force and d.c. police force who were being beaten with baseball bats and trump flags and confederate battle flags and engaged in basically medieval style battle field tactics to try to save the democracy and...

For much longer than it ultimately is proven to be the case. now it's the reverse effect. now it's preventing people from doing their jobs. they're not dumb. they realize that until these go away, they're better, just sticking with what they have and venturing out and losing money. what do you think? >> this is about the dignity of work. people in ohio are eager to get back to work and to better paying jobs. this is about child care breakdowns. summer camp hasn't started for most children. so forcing parents to make changes in the middle of a pandemic which we're in is again, i think -- this i...