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Really a factor of the markets and what people are willing to pay for it. that aside, principle is principle whether it's over -- talking about $2 or $200 billion. >> it's not about the money for you? >> well, money is inextricably tied to the principle. in order -- >> what's more important? >> both have to be -- i'll tell you why both are important -- >> it's about principle. obviously you could give all the money to charity. make a principle stand. it f it's about the money, you keep it and spend it on fast cars and yachts. >> right. we haven't -- yeah, we don't have the money. >> you get my...

Or anything on energy, certainly financial regulation, anything is dependent upon the perception that he has the clout to get this through. you know, i -- i just don't understand why people like dennis kucinich don't leave themselves for wiggle room in the run-up to it. they have to know their arm is going to be twisted behind their back like this. why take the ride on air force one. if epd to take a principle stand, don't go to your district with the president. that is the sort of dramatic way. sam -- >> you're absolutely right. with i was talking to joe, when i talked to dennis after that in...

Even if democrats do not have the power right now to fix this problem alone, they want to fix it and they will at least pull out all the stops trying to get it done. and yes, that's politics. that's the pr part of this, the demonstration effect, part of this. but, yeah that's what politics is supposed to be like. you make a principle stand for a policy that you want and you fight like heck to get it done. and whether or not you get it done, you persuade people to vote for you because they like what you are fighting for and how hard you are fighting for it and they want to help you get it done....