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Boston terrorists -- >> terrorists you mean? >> yes. >> but this program, the prism program as they call it, looks for intelligence overseas via the internet wouldn't have caught tamerlan tsarnaev because it doesn't apply to people in the u.s. >> mr. ail awack -- ail >> mr. alawahi was recruiting people through the internet and phone calls back and forth through the united states of america, but i don't claim to defend everything that the government is doing. but i am saying that the threat is growing, not diminishing in my view. when you look at the things that are going on around the world, ...

Uniquely valuable intelligence hasn't been proven to disrupted plots. and finally, it's only another step to take ta computer data involving human beings and taking a further look at it. it's the scale of this that really concerns me and the fact that the american public doesn't know about it. the american public decides this is okay, then that's where we can be. but right now it's been basically a secret program, the law hasn't been shared in the way it's being applied. that's what i've been pushing for the last few years. >> now, the dni has said that this program has in fact thwarted terror...

Statement. >> when you have larry page, the ceo coming out and saying. >> they have to approve it. >> we have also heard that this prism program is what it is being called has thwarted at least one terror attack. is that the case to your knowledge, sir? >> well, i would say very simply that they ought to say what terrorist attack it was and what that program contributed to get it. i mean, they are not -- the fact that we are monitoring communications of all types is not unknown to the terrorists. they know this. so, who are we hiding this from? i mean, we are hiding it from any discussion with...

Mitchell, in an exclusive interview. a senior staff attorney at the electronic frontier foundation. thanks for being with us. you heard some of director clapper's comments there. you may have looked at the three-page document that was released right after that. does this make you comfortable with the way the government is dealing with access to information in this prism program to internet companies? >> absolutely not. i mean, we have seen similar statements from dni clapper. i remember when he responded to a question from senator wyden, were they collecting information about millions of ameri...

Actions around the prism program, the director of national intelligence did an interview with andrea mitchell from nbc in order to explain some of what is going on and in order as you said to have greater transparency. i think we do have to have this debate. we have to understand, you know, how we are protecting privacy but at the same time, how we are ensuring that people that seek to do us harm from outside of this country, how they are operating. >> i have a question on that. if that's all right. this is liza. leaving aside the question of proactive disclosure, we have heard that the nsa ha...