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About, criminal justice reform. you've been working with this white house on this very issue. does the outcome in johnson's case give you optimism of actually getting where you see this going? >> look, i do have optimism. it's funny because i always say about the trump white house and jared kushner, we got 99 conflicts but prison ain't one, okay? jared's dad went to prison for a white-collar crime. he understands that prisons are -- it's a disaster right now. too many people in prison for too long for dumb stuff. we can do something about that. let's do something about that and i also think th...

Happy about it. the intrepid and always outspoken van jones. van, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> i'm glad to be here. and i'll tell you this. people -- you know, when it comes to how do you deal with this sort of stuff, i say when it comes to the trump white house we've got 99 conflicts but prison ain't one. let's fix these prisons and keep on pushing. >> thank you, van. i appreciate it. when we come back, the man whose sermon at the royal wedding touched the world. now he is getting ready to protest at the white house tomorrow. i'm going to ask bishop michael curry about both of these...

Limited cognitive resources are overburdened. it doesn't matter how implausible the statements are. throw out enough of them and people will inevitably absorb some. eventually, without quite realizing it, our brains just give up trying to figure out what is true." so are you concerned that people are becoming worn down by all of the lies coming out of the president's mouth? >> well, i mean, look, i think for a long time, and this predates trump, people were losing faith in what they were hearing out of washington. so i don't think this is unique to donald trump. as it relates specifically to t...

House we've got 99 conflicts but prison ain't one. let's fix these prisons and keep on pushing. >> thank you, van. i appreciate it. when we come back, the man whose sermon at the royal wedding touched the world. now he is getting ready to protest at the white house tomorrow. i'm going to ask bishop michael curry about both of these huge moments for him. that's next. >> redemptive power of love. at&t provides edge-to-edge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your manufacturing business. & so this won't happen.

Are beginning to be willing to put some things aside to get something done and that's a good thing. no bill is perfect. but this bill is a bill that will do a lot of good. can. >> let me just ask, what has it been like working with jared kushner? >> i'll put it this way. i'll quote my friend jay-z. we got 99 conflicts but prison ain't one. i disagree with kushner and trump on so many things but here's the deal. if i disagree with you on 99 issues important to me, trans'rights, immigrant rights, the whole deal, on 99 things but on one this eveningng i disagre you, should i do nothing and not do...