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Message, the senator had this to say talking about the democrats and their rejections to the wall. here's what he said. >> now the position is that border walls represent a human right abuse, that they are immoral. it wouldn't surprise me to see her next step be, let's tear down the border wall working in san diego, and yuma, and el paso. >> shannon: why not? >> i wouldn't go that far. [laughs] here's what we know, donald trump had the opportunity tonight, he had every major network watching, he could've outlined a real immigration plan, how he really plans on getting border security, how many...

Of conversation of mr. boehner. you just, you know, i'm a political scientist. we say congressmen are single minded seekers of re-election. you said congress's primary job is to fill prison beds for the purpose of generating profits that then come back to their campaigns nrd to be the single minded seeker of re-election. i want to listen for a whole minute to mr. boehner talking about immigration reform and see if your frame changes how we hear this. >> so speaker, we came here to ask you why are you blocking immigration reform? is it's been almost a year. >> me? blocking? >> you can bring it ...

Set of problems about sort of parentless children because of ins are course ration. >> and the enemy is the same. and the enemy is the way that our congressional system relies on toxic money in the system. a so a congressperson's job with respect to the drug laws, it's to fill prison beds. that's how the congressperson gets money. that means they have to pass laws to make certain things into crimes that didn't yumsed to be. or they give you longer and longer sentences so the profit can be sucked out of you while you occupy the bed. all these are are fancy ways of referring to a simple ideas, w...

It creates optimism for next year. >> collectively, we got it wrong four years ago? >> i don't know, i think to your point, anybody that lived through the 1988 presidential campaign could never know this moment. i don't know if we run out of prison beds. computing the eight sentences president obama did or jerry brown's 120 or whatever it is and said they served tear time. we aren't seeing federal law changing i think quite yet. >> that's the question. we will get into more in the next segment. we have a couple things on the agenda for 2014. at least the seeds. let talk about whether that will...

Yes, they all have to be involved and it doesn't just affect blacks. the grefance industry spent a lot of time in the argument and in the fight and they can rally and actions that provide solutions. >> and the problem is, shannon, that david web is only making an industry for himself. and let's start talking about head start funding is decimated and when states are deciding on how many prison beds and looking at third and fourth grade reading rates we need to refund reading. if they are baby sat by gangs, we need to make sure after school programs are funded. there is something else to be invo...