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With three strikes and you're out, you have some people who have been there for so many years -- >> you're saying can we find ways in our memorializing mandela to actualize it. >> that's the key. >> and james peterson, what can the president be influenced by nelson mandela mean for us as a nation and us politicly? >> i love all the stuff you've been saying about nelson mandela and i love what jonathan alter just said. and i hope people can hear that, because if you want to really talk about how to use celebrate and commemorate the life of mandela, one of the things you can do is take his priso...

Also an msnbc contributor. this looked like the outcome that had to happen, after our program last night, the mayor of rochester came out against this. i was deliberately on this show last night doing everything i could, including booking dan french, to push this prosecutor back and to push the police back on this arrest. >> that's right, and listen, kudos to you, your show, and your producers for making this national news. we have to give credit where it's due. really important here, lawrence. i'm teaching a class right now in black prison narrative. i'm studying michelle alexander and the na...