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and saying that he was able to declassify whatever he wants. joyce, put that -- make sense of that for us? explain that to us. >> well, i'd love to make sense of it, katy, but it doesn't make much in the way of sense. it is a shocker that the former president would try to distract from his own problems but invoking barack obama who by all accounts including this official one complied fully with the presidential records act. when it comes to these new suggestions that trump could have declassified these documents on his way out the door, this rings a little bit too good to be true. an...

Believe they did and i acted in good faith. that could be a valid defense if you could convince a juror. that may be all he's got, though. >> let me ask you about the statute, 18 usc 1519, that is typically use and tell me if i'm wrong, it is used to charge obstruction of justice by concealing or destroying evidence. and if we look at attachment b in the warrant, in the letter d under attachment b, any evidence of knowing alteration, destruction or concealment of any government and/or presidential records of any documents with classification markings. how do you read into that. >> i didn't see...