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Each other's guts. not any love loss between the two organizations. i think that was a scare tactic to get money, to get some sort of prisoner release. >> do you think the u.s., that they could have explored some back channel means to try to save this guy? >> they could have. they could have explored that with perhaps the pakistani government helping out, but the problem is, the pakistani government doesn't have connections and ties necessarily to al qaeda either and it's just the pakistani government paying a ransom then a ransom is paid anyway. al qaeda was saying there had to be the lease o...

Relations. it will include steps toward rescinding terror designation. this was specifically a prisoner release of alan gross on humanitarian grounds but the diplomatic fiction here is there is also a prisoner exchange three cubans returning home in exchange for an intelligence asset cuban spy who was spying for the united states and long imprisoned in havana. that is the prisoner swap. the other part of the moving parts but alan gross is coming home they say, as a humanitarian gesture. the other piece of this of course, is the other steps toward the lifting of the embargo. the embargo, as you...

Between both the white house, state department and other entities have been going on for quite a while. i've not been involved in the direct negotiations in terms of the prisoner release, but this effort to get alan gross released involved a lot of people over a number of years, most especially his family, his lawyer and a lot of people who just felt that he shouldn't be there at all. >> now that he is back and we have turned a corner clearly and opened an old discussion anew, your thoughts on how this thing goes forward as one who represent sos many with varying positions on this very emotion...

Bosnia. the american people need to understand that there's a small part, less than 1%, who go out every day, willing to die to protect their freedom. jenna: quick final question on american leadership. "new york times," summed it up very apropos today, an article from peter baker, pointing to the irony of this time that we are reflecting on the 70th anniversary of d-day but the time we're living in is that harkens back to darker eras. they will go into description about what we're seeing in eastern europe, the comparisons made to nazi germany and the soviet union and what were mentioned, we'r...

Years, this prisoner release, he wanted to get rid of these prisoners, of course the taliban will keep their golden ticket in a cage, whether he's part of their warrior of islam or not. >> what i saw in this morning's papers was one of the fears the administration has was they were going to kill him. they felt his value was decreasing to the taliban. >> juan, why did that come out today five days later. >> they have to go back to the hill and have the secret briefing that -- >> don't you really think that we're kind of making -- they're kind of making this up as they go along, let's just say t...