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These kids fall into these traps where there are these chat rooms and they're separated from reality and so many of these kids, as they move along, realize it's right in front of us. these are red flags and i think so many things have swung into the privacy side and hippa that if we do see a red flag, we have to do something about it and there has to be better background checks to make sure this doesn't happen. there is something going on with society today and with kids today where we have to address that, i think. >> no one is addressing guns. >> yeah, i was just going to say, the whole issu...

A short attention span. so we have this attack or everybody's on board with more security. they're willing to give up something on the privacy side. that doesn't last very long. or in fact, if you do get far down the road and you start to make some changes, then pretty soon the out cry is you've gone too far, you're approaching a police state. >> if i could add to that. even if we pass the laws, it takes about two years and we decide we don't want those laws, we don't want the government collecting meta date a, we don' want them getting into the phone. we start losing the pressure to keep it u...

Abdicated their responsibility. so i'll start with you chairman rogers. will anything change? >> first of all, i couldn't disagree more. that's like having the janitor at a bank who figured out how to steal some money deciding matters of high finance. this was a thief who we believe had some help who stole information the vast majority had the nothing to do with privacy. our army, navy, air force, marines have been incredibly harmed by the data that he has taken with him and we believe now is in the hands of nation states. >> what help did he have? who helped him do you think in is. >> well, t...

Taken with him and we believe now is in the hands of nation states. >> what help did he have? who helped him, do you think? >> well, there were certain questions we have to get answered where "a," first of all if it was a privacy concern he had, he didn't look for information on the privacy side for americans. he was stealing information that had to do with how we operate and deal to deep americans safe. some of the things he did were beyond his technical responsibilities raises more questions. how he arranged travel before he left, how he was ready to go. he had a go bag, if you will, and ...

partners in europe were involved in that turns out they probably about most of the vacuuming for us. i'm reluctant to offer any kind of definitive take on what this means until we know that it actually means what it seems to me the term of art there was server. allegation court orders to get information from yahoo and google, but this is some sort of back door breaking into their system without a court order o. >> i think that's exactly right. the problem is people doing the interpreting don't necessarily know all these terms of art we are talking about. this is what led to these stories in...