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Subpoena. liz cheney has said why don't you come in and talk to us? you know about everything. here's what she told abc. >> do you think we will see pat cipollone testimony? >> i hope we will. i think this is an instance where the presidency, the american people, where we've been through something we've never been through before, and where it's real and significant chance that there was behavior underway about which mr. cipollone expressed significant concerns. and i think he has an obligation to testify. >> congresswoman cheney says he has an obligation. cipollone has cited privilege issues. ...

Is he going to stick with that? or does this change anything, norm? >> erin, thanks for having me back. this ratchets up the pressure considerably. we know he did informal cooperation, so the privilege issues can be addressed. the biden white house owns those privilege issues, that's been litigated. pat can't hide behind privilege. is he going to want to go the way of steve bannon and peter navaro, who are being prosecuted for criminal contevempt? pat's a working lawyer. he has a legal obligation to show up. he can attempt to dodge, assert privileges or answer questions however he may think is...

Navarro was actually arrested, indicted and hauled into federal court. precisely because he wouldn't testify or hand over documents to that same committee. gloria borger joins me now. what a day? what do we know about the two cases. why indict and charge one and not the other two? >> well, peter navarro never even attempted to cooperate with the committee in the same way steve bannon never attempted to cooperate with the committee. and he was also indicted. when you look at dan scavino and you look at mark meadows, you know these two gentlemen spent most all their time with the president. you'...

Not the other two? >> well, peter navarro never even attempted to cooperate with the committee in the same way steve bannon never attempted to cooperate with the committee. and he was also indicted. when you look at dan scavino and you look at mark meadows, you know these two gentlemen spent most all their time with the president. you're the attorney, i'm not. there are a lot of oprivilege issues here, right? it's a very, very complicate set of privilege issues. and also both of these men had attorneys that dealt with the committee a lot. and you know that mark meadows handed over thousands of...

>> keith kellogg is a critical witness, and what we've learned today, his lawyer stopped in the middle. they took a break. spoke to our cnn team and told them john cole is his lawyer. he said he's testifying on what happened. he is cooperating. when asked whether kellogg was providing the committee with documents pertaining to that day, cole said they are all logged in at the national archives, that he didn't have any personal emails or texts. they've been handed over. frankly, the way mark meadows should have handed them over. but here's the key point. cole told our team that there was nothin...