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Well, that cased is not th even biggest case because ther is this other case which actually think is going to b the want to do him in. the fact that we are talking about multiple investigations, and this guy still talking about running for president. i mean, political was the firs to report that trump i actively working to woo ro desantis's donors. i just wonder, legally politically, what is it you ar going to be watching for thi week >> yeah, i think politically what has been very clear i that republicans are not running away from donald trump because it doesn't seem like - he is actually str...

Told us this about the delegat strategy here. there are multiple conversations about delegate and how they're picked i various states across th country. one thing we looked at is that trump can beat on the delegate portion of all this. he's never can be beat he's never been good at that can you explain some of th math >> two of the states that came up to us multiple times in the states - as new york in california. both of those states are considered general electio democrat blue territory. but they still have a lot of delegates. desantis has been doin relatively well compared t other states in...

Might not be this early in the conversation traditionally >> we know desantis, eve though he hasn't announced a official round we know what he's doing. it's a blueprint for what he says he'll do for the country. but at the same, time he needs to do so delicately. because of the maga base how does he make a case to them, all the while. former president trump will be under indictment without alienating them? >> yeah, it's definitely a blueprint. he made it part of the title o his book without question, he's not being subtle about that point. and to the idea of toeing th tightrope between doing w...

Used this as an opportunity to set yourself further fro donald trump, rather than just sort of a vying to be the to lapdog in the bunch, which i exactly what has been th prevailing strategy over the last six or seven years. so i cannot believe they are dismissing this opportunity, and desantis would probably be the obvious got to try it, but he just hasn't until thi point. >> coming up, our conversation with broadway star billy porter he is won a grammy, an emmy, and to tony,'s and about t embark on a multi city tour fo his new album. >> and now, the greatest achievement of all, he i appearing...

Percent, so they are not going very far, at least for now is your sense that some of the other candidates might be more formidable, more watching to see how that plays, an potentially they will join i at some point as well? >> yeah, although, as long a they wait, they are not making it easy on themselves. first of all, i think my least political instincts, isa hutchinson and chris christi probably won't be getting th nomination for the republica party in 2024. however, someone like ro desantis, i mean pence i probably you know, he is probably lost his chance my no but someone like desantis wh ...