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Sanders is considered more liberal and that's not necessarily a bad thing in the democratic primary. >> i don't want to get into it unless people misread that because i do help run a pro-hillary superpac and i honestly haven't studied bernie's record. in my pac, we have no interest in attacking bernie sanders. i think peter makes a good point. i will say this in defense of bernie sanders. he's not saying anything now that i can't sell in 2016. in other words, he's not going off to the kook left. he's not calling, for example, for seal team 6 to liberate the board room of goldman sachs, nationa...

Right. >> which was unusual. >> he has a fluency when talking about the economy. he does have an ability to explain things in a way that people understand. and this wasn't an unserious proposal. >> no, it -- and it was fascinating to me. first, you know, john, our viewers should know, i advise a pro-hillary superpac. even as a hillary guy, his talent is undeniable. donald trump, we think about him as a real estate mogul, and he is. he has spent more time on television than any candidate for president since ronald reagan. he knows that medium. so he rolls this out. it was both populist and plut...